The USA-based imperial power always needs a territory of war to feed on. It becomes clear that Ukraine is just another war zone of this endless money laundering war. This empire has no other measures to exist as a global power. And if there won't be any outside war-zone it will befall the USA itself and turn it into an endless civil war zone, because the perpetrators and profiteers of the endless war won't have any other place to base on and where they will be secure and powerful.
Julian Assange:
There is no society anymore pic.twitter.com/rjzVCWMGMb
— illuminatibot (@iluminatibot) September 10, 2023
"There is no society anymore!
What there is, is a transnational security elite, that is busy carving up the world, using your tax money.
To combat that elite, we must not petition. We must take it over!
We must form our own network of strength and mutual values, which can challenge those strengths and self-interested values of the warmongers in this country and in others that have formed hand in hand an alliance to take money from the United States, from every NATO country, from Australia and
launder it through Afghanistan,
launder it trough Iraq,
launder it through Somalia,
launder it through Yemen,
launder it through Pakistan
and wash that money in peoples blood!"
Julian Assange: The Goal Is To Use Afghanistan To Wash Money & Endless War.
— ₱₳₮Ɽł₵₭ ⱧËñRŸ (@psyop4921) August 31, 2023
Now apply that to what’s going on today in Ukraine….#FreeAssange pic.twitter.com/FBTIvDPkkc
"Because the goal is not to completely subjugate Afghanistan. The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax basis of the United States, out of the tax basis of the European countries through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. That is the goal idea. The goal is to have an endless war, not a successful war."
Julian Assange Stop the War Interview 8 October 2011
TheEthanwashere Oct 1, 2012
In the interview with 60 Minutes Julian Assange refers to the "revolution in Tunisia" and is not aware that Wikileaks was instrumentalized for the so called "Arab Spring" operation to regime change of 7 states in 5 years, as already disclosed by former General Wessley Clark.
Julian Assange: The 2011 60 Minutes Interview
60 Minutes, Apr 12, 2019
General Wesley Clark "We're going to take-out 7 countries in 5 years."
Nakama, Mar 7, 2019
What is I told you so for $6 trillion, Wesley?
https://archive.org/details/dn2007-03...
Mar. 2, 2007
https://vimeo.com/64799215
Julian Assange: Why the world needs WikiLeaks
TED, Jul 19, 2010
Julian Assange on the Afghanistan war logs: 'They show the true nature of this war'
The Guardian, Jul 26, 2010
Julian Assange Warning The World Of The Elite, NATO & The Massive Tax Payer Money Laundering Being Done Globally By Warmongers In Government
“There is no society anymore. What there is a transnational security elite that is busy carving up the world using your tax money.
To combat that elite, We must not petition. We must take it over.
We must form our own networks of strength and mutual value, which can challenge those strengths and self interested values of the warmongers in this country and in others that have formed hand in hand an alliance to take money from the United States, every NATO country, from Australia, and launder it through Afghanistan. launder it through Iraq, launder it through Somalia, launder it through Yemen, launder it through Pakistan, and wash that money in people's blood!” pic.twitter.com/Pga3kL1pDI
— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) November 30, 2023
CIA staffer sentenced to 40 years for leaking US hacking secrets
"Joshua Schulte has been accused of the largest theft of classified data in the spy agency’s history"
"A former CIA software engineer who embarrassed his employer by allegedly giving a massive trove of classified information to WikiLeaks has been sentenced to 40 years in prison by a New York judge."
"Schulte, 35, was allegedly the source behind the so-called Vault 7 release by WikiLeaks in 2017, which exposed the methods used by the CIA to hack smartphones and other devices. The bombshell report exposed how the US spied on foreign governments, terrorism suspects, and other targets, creating a major embarrassment for Washington’s intelligence agencies. It also reportedly triggered a secret CIA plot to kidnap or assassinate WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange."
"Prior to his arrest in 2018, Schulte had helped create the hacking tools that he later exposed to WikiLeaks. The CIA tactics included efforts to turn so-called smart TVs – televisions with online connectivity – into listening devices. Prosecutors claimed he was behind “the most damaging disclosures of classified information in American history.”
“If wars can be started by lies, peace can be started by TRUTH” - Julian Assange Films For Change,
Jun 29, 2021
0:00
Margaret Thatcher had it right. There is no society anymore. What there is, is a transnational security elite, that is busy carving up the world, using your tax money.
0:23
To combat that elite we must not petition. We must take it over!
0:36
We must form our own networks of strength and mutual value, which can challenge those strengths and self-interested values of the war mongers in this country and in others, that have formed hand in hand and an alliance to take money
from the United States,
from every nato country
from australia and
launder it through Áfghanistan,
launder it through Iraq,
launder it through Somalia,
launder it through Yemen,
launder it through Pakistan
and wash that money in people's blood.
1:22
I don't need to tell you the depravity of war. You are all too familiar with its images
with the refugees of war,
with information that we have revealed,
showing the everyday spoiler and barbarity of war.
1:46
Information such as the individual deaths of over 130 000 people in Iraq. Individual deaths that were kept secret by the US military, who denied that they ever counted the deaths of civilians.
2:07
Instead i want to tell you, what i think is the way, that wars come to be and that wars can be undone in democracies or the pseudo-democracies, that we are evolving into.
2:28
Wars are a result of lies!
The Vietnam war and the push for US involvement was the result of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, a lie!
Here the Iraq war famously is a result of lies!
Wars in Somalia are a result of lies!
The second world war and the German invasion of Poland was a result of carefully constructed lies!
3:10
That is war by media! Let us ask ourselves of the complicit media, which is the majority of the mainstream press, what is the average death count attributed to each journalist?
3:33
When we understand that wars come about as a result of lies, peddled to the British public and the American public and the publics all over Europe and other countries, then who are the war criminals?
3:51
It is not just leaders it is not just soldiers. It is journalists journalists are war criminals.
4:05
And why one might think, that that should lead us to a state of despair. That the reality that is constructed around us, is constructed by liars, is constructed by people who are close to those that they are meant to be policing.
4:27
It should lead us also to an optimistic understanding, because if wars can be started by lies truth can be started - peace can be started by truth.
So that is our task and it is your task go and get the truth get into the ballpark and get the ball and give it to us and we'll spread it all over the world.
Julian Assange on the Afghanistan war logs: 'They show the true nature of this war'
The Guardian, Jul 26, 2010
0:03
Hundreds of civilian deaths a black unit to hunt down Taliban leaders intelligence pointing to Pakistani and Iranian involvement in the insurgency the US military secret Afghanistan war logs provide the most revealing picture of the conflict so far an hour-by-hour account emerges from 92 thousand cryptic reports each recording an incident involving NATO troops a Taliban attack or intelligence received they were shared with the Guardian the New York Times and - Spiegel by the whistleblowers website WikiLeaks.
0:39
Its founder Julian Assange explains why he made it public: If journalism is good it is controversial by by its nature it is the role of good journalism to take on powerful abuses and when powerful abuses are taken on there is always a back reaction so we see that controversy and we believe that there's a good thing to engage in in this case.
1:05
It will show the true nature of this war and then the public from Afghanistan and other nations can see what's really going on and take steps to address the problems.
1:15
The significance of this material is both the overarching context. That is it covers the entire war since 2004 and individual events which are also significant or a threat of events so those include something like task force 373 and us-based assassination squad that goes around Afghanistan killing people on a killer capture list.
1:46
It includes significant events where many people were killed. For instance we are looking at an event that killed 181 people at once some by an ac-130 gunship.
2:02
It includes detail about how the war is supported in various ways so how the political class in Kabul interfaces with US military and intelligence how the corruption is spread through their community but also how the war is mediated by Pakistan and possibly by Iran.
2:35
The nearest analog isthe Pentagon Papers which was released in the early 70s that exposed how the United States was prosecuting the war in Vietnam. That was some 10,000 pages and some of those pages were accepted and put into the New York Times and other US newspapers.
2:54
It wasn't for several years that a book was published or some 5000 of those pages by beacon press. This msituation is different in that it's not ust more material and being pushed to a bigger audience and much sooner I feel like everyone has the book the whole lot at once, but rather that people can give back so people around the world who are reading this able to comment on it and put it in context and understand the full situation. That is not something that is previously occurred and that is something that can only be thought about.
3:36
As a result of the internet militaries keep information secret to prosecute they're part of a war but also to hide abuse and there is a military argument for keeping some information secret it is very timely so the an example of where troops are about to deploy but that information expires quickly and this information ranges from 2004 to 2010 so that argument is not valid for this type of information.
4:11
This legend on my t-shirt is really quite nice it's from the Norwegian journalist Association SKUP and it says dig down into and it's a reference to the snowfalls in Norway that if you're up in the mountains and there's one of the snow you've got to dig down in time to to be safe but for investigative journalism this is dig down into the archives to understand.
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange - 'There appears to be evidence of war crimes'
The Guardian, Aug 11, 2010
Julian Assange's last talk before he was silenced - Barcelona - World Ethical Data Forum - 2018
Free Assange, Sep 23, 2022
0:00
I started Wikileaks to to solve a very interesting problem to me, which was to know the fate of man know the fate of mankind insofar as that development of man is revealed by the development of his institutions and how they actually behave in practice internally and the the great uh political struggle of mankind
0:26
insofar as it's been rational and we all know politics is largely irrational but the irrational part I feel is sort of random and the rational part is based upon what we know what we know about ourselves what we know about each other and what we know about how human resources are distributed and how human institutions behave and what sort of internal and external rules
0:51
We engage in so that's the purpose of WikiLeaks to try and understand Mankind and then from that we can perhaps produce a better or more realistically put less worse uh human civilization but that's changing Mankind in some sense just having small glimmer of understanding about how it is progressing uh through the world
1:19
I think is now almost completely eliminated and not in the way that I expected we actually have access to much more knowledge about how we worked than we ever did before but it's been eliminated through the the speed of informational processing and therefore the speed of the change of knowledge uh and that's going to that is rapidly moving into um out of well
1:48
that algorithmic processing of knowledge is moving into artificial intelligence and why artificial intelligence is just another kind of algorithm
1:55
I think the scale changes that have occurred in the last seven years are significant enough to classify it as a qualitative change and that qualitative change means a serious you might be very serious threat to the stability of human civilizations not that they should be too stable and the ability for human beings uh to organize their fate in an intelligent manner so I think you guys in both these two Dimensions uh are able to do something
2:48
the interesting stuff I Can't Describe because I mean an adversarial relationship with a number of states a really serious adversary relationship um and then the the situation for detained people and I have been detained and in prison under house arrest and in this Embassy without charge at any time in this country uh for almost eight years now and the difficulty for uh people who are detained in one form or another is monotony absolutely
3:35 / 53:29
• What do you plan to do once you get your freedom? Will you return to Australia?
3:27
so I try and make each day as different as possible as it possibly can be and it's never different enough uh for me there's a shifting geopolitical constellation as as far as the operations of WikiLeaks and other Publishers are concerned that are trying to push the envelope uh Wikileaks is designed in its structure well because it kind of Suits the sort of things I like doing uh to be the boldest uh the boldest but still credible publisher it's an interesting tension that but still credible by by that I mean we're very bold not so bold that we publish uh child pornography that would certainly be bold but it's not not I think interesting and credible foreign
4:28
coming out of my experience with dealing with governments and in computer security industry uh I got into encryption I became an encryption engineer and read my about well a number of small companies and consultancies and after a while I viewed that the Universe was hard enough to understand for human beings without going around encrypting it all the time
5:03
and that that are in some sense that was to make human life harder to understand and while I understood and even in fact come back I suppose to embrace uh that earlier philosophical philosophical position of mine that uh in a computerized civilization uh encryption is the fundamental uh building block of Liberty
5:23
I think that is I think that is clear both interesting philosophically as to why that is why that is so so I then I instead thought well I should I should really tackle trying to decrypt physical reality it sounds that sounds mad but that's what physicists do right we try and decrypt physical reality to understand time and space the beginning and end of things um and after after a while I felt I had although physics is very wide but I felt I had a decent decent enough understanding that that the extra time put in wouldn't produce a great deal more understanding
6:00
and so then I came back taking some of these uh Concepts that have been developed in quantum mechanics about understanding uh flows of causality how one thing causes another and if you look at look at it to a particular interpretation through the flow of information of how information from one a thing that you're trying to measure goes on to Cascade causality across others and then eventually to the person looking at it and so I thought I would why not take that concept uh which can perhaps described in the way that Wikileaks uses it as causality amplification some small amount of capital leading to a larger amount of information leading to a Cascade of effect and and try and put that into place to help understand human civilization and uh
7:14
wow that's a in some sense a very ambitious and Impossible Project along the way to have some fun and uh uh achieve some important uh blows for justice which is satisfying when you're doing it it's very very very satisfying to see innocent people for example walk out of prison with one of our Publications above their head you know the key documents used back in 2007 when I launched WikiLeaks I don't know if people can bring their minds back to the cultural Dynamics on the internet at that time
8:00
it was in some sense far more controlling uh space than it is now in other senses far more open because there weren't the big players didn't dominate it as much as they do now but the the fight as to whether a Wikileaks was culturally acceptable
8:27
uh hadn't been had yet and through uh succeeding in that fight and defending the organization we became in a very unusual way part of the status quo none of the status quo of uh establishments obviously many establishments are opposed to us because public secrets and all establishments are in some sense hypocritical and rely on keeping a different interior world to exterior presentation
8:57
um but we think became a a cultural uh culturally established such that there would be a tremor uh sent through the broader internet culture which is now the broader Western culture uh
9:16
if Wikileaks were to disappear and that's a a very difficult role to be in what would it mean it would mean that essentially the the envelope for Publishers and freedom of speech and the rights of citizens versus institutions and establishments would suddenly contract
9:37
so I personally and Wiki it's a partly in the business of keeping the envelope wide being that avant-garde where we are constantly crashing up uh against icebergs constantly uh trying to to smash through the ice or at the very least maintained position so that behind us there is a widened cultural space for Liberty broadly speaking
10:14
I mean you've had some very good speakers that are speaking at the kind of practical everyday computer security industry so I'm not going to do that probably because I wouldn't be that good at it the the Wikileaks has a threat model but it's an exceedingly it's a very high uh thread model absurd in fact I mean the the UK government
10:45
uh by 2015 by the middle of 2015 admitted just one Department alone had spent 12.6 million pounds it was very embarrassing on surveilling me it was very embarrassing and so in response they classified the budget so the budget figures uh have not been released they certainly haven't been released for others so that's a high Threat Level environment
11:06
um it's very interesting I suppose all the the means that we've come up with to deal with that environment but they are in some sense unique to a to a small to mid-sized organization operating at the highest levels of of which I'm I'm not sure that there are any others than us I suppose that there are some Independence groups and terrorist organizations but at least on the terror side obviously it's a it's a different game from one that we're we're engaged
11:43
okay but there is a there is a a much bigger threat to everyone and I see it like this some of you well at the time the last Alamos project physics Western physics became harmonized because you bought the different physics Traditions from across Europe the leading figures to the United States and to Los Alamos and then you had a harmonization of nomenclature and understanding and those people then spread out
12:29
so one of those people was Enrico Fermi an Italian physicist very interesting man one night omico Fermi was out walking amongst loss in Los Alamos with some of his physicist buddies and he looked up at the stars and said um where is everyone and so you're going to freak out a little bit because yes I'm bringing in the aliens into this part of the talk
12:56
uh to answer this question uh his his question is very deep it's that they don't appear to be any uh and by a peer I mean there are no physical signs that we can detect in in terms of what happens to Stars the energy seems to be constantly boiling off being wasted into space uh
13:14
we don't hear radio signals we don't see anything of civilized life and yet in the last 10 years we see a uh in the last 10 years um um the asteroid physics of planetary
13:34
astrophysics has shown that there's tens of thousands of extra solar planets uh that we have actually detected on the individual basis and from that you can assemble the probabilities of there being Earth approximating uh planets and there's hundreds of millions maybe billions just in this galaxy so the question then becomes well where is the Civilized life why don't we see it why don't we see any signs of it anywhere and so so the the answers to that are
14:09
well it could be the reasons we don't see signs of civilized life uh with the our increasingly powerful measurement apparatus is because life simply doesn't evolve life itself that's why we don't see supervised life that there's something very rare about the Earth as
14:27
it means that life here evolved but when we look at the Earth and when we look at extrasolar planets we don't see any reason why that should be true in fact we we see uh organic amino acids in space dust and asteroids and so on and we know that asteroids cross pollinate
14:45
for example there's asteroids here um from Mars bits of bits of Earth has gone to Mars Etc when we get hit by an asteroid and stuff flies off Etc so there's quite a lot of reason to believe that the basic building blocks of life have spread widely
15:05
so my view and I think it's the the only view you can take so far until more data comes in is that there's something very unstable about civilization it's something very unstable about technologically advanced civilization that means it doesn't go on for long and I think the answer to that is the very rapid competition if you like the light speed competition that occurs when you wire up the world to itself and that very rapid competition can have two Fates and number one it can produce very robust artificial intelligences
15:53
uh that are then coupled with their states you can see that panning out in the United States and China as they each were up they're going to take you know those two forces are going to take essentially all the market uh and the rapid competition between them with the with the backing and support of the states behind them and the the exacerbation of the commercial competition through geopoliticalcompetition will lead uh to an uncontrollable desire for growth in artificial intelligence capacity
16:23
uh yeah leading leading to very severe conflict or or stultification there's interesting you can follow these trajectories in different ways it takes it takes too long to describe
16:37
um so I think that's that's our biggest threat it is geopolitical competition removing what otherwise might be sensible human controls on the development of artificial intelligence that geopolitical competition uh harnessed by uh and it's so harnessing uh the largest artificial intelligence companies to ratchet up a process which human beings can no longer control not in the sense of urban Killer Robots
17:09
uh although of course Google is now putting its AI in drones and so on so yeah there are Killer Robots uh not not in this classic dystopian sense but rather in a in a way that comes from understanding how human institutions behave which is institutions that are built on competition and growing their size and dominating markets Etc take any advantage they get and will continue to ratchet up in competition and everything that they produce has that DNA in it and
17:45
that's where we're headed uh and that's as that's a severe threat to human beings in general and all businesses but perhaps perhaps the answer to that threat is people understand uh computer security offensive computer security in particular uh trying to work out what to do about it
18:10 / 53:29
• What is your view of cyber warfare, whether offensive or retaliatory?
18:16
nation states haven't been around that long most people don't understand that that the West the westphalian system has only been around for about 400 years uh and in fact most uh Nations not States but Nations communities of people
18:36
um we're not even in the westphalian system for for a long time um now the you can think about why the westphalian system why the nation-state system developed I think it's I think it's essentially the technology including speed of Transport letters radio communications Etc meant that each uh Center of organization attracted smaller groups of organization to it and
19:02
they grew and grew and grew and kept growing until they hit the boundaries of others also doing the same and those and then there was conflict and then borders were constructed either to well unless they were natural borders borders arose as a result of trying to dampen down the expense of that conflict
19:24
okay and the there's clear physical reasons why that arose it's a it's a geographical uh conflict and geographical basically means as a two-dimensional spatial conflict um but the internet has no two-dimensional spatial nature
19:49
so in instead what you see with the uh conflicts that occur through internet based organizations and states are includes increasingly moving on to the internet is a kind of inter-digitization of conflict that that is there's no border uh
20:07
there's no border and it's it's 220 milliseconds from New York to Nairobi so why would there ever be uh peace in such a such a scenario there's no border of peace uh within within which there's greater cooperation that's not easy to construct now with cryptography to the degree that it's well engineered you can create some kinds of borders in fact that's uh but all in fact all uh institutions that are surviving on the internet uh and
20:49
an Arctic International Space are doing they're creating their own borders using cryptography but the yeah the the size of the attack surface for any decent sized organization and the the number of people and different types of software and Hardware that has to pull inside itself means that that's very very hard to establish and things are moving so fast that you
21:16
you I don't think it's really possible for organizations to come up with borders uh that are predictable enough and stable enough to eliminate conflict therefore there will be more conflict it's the the kind of you know they're sexy because they have a lot of power and that they conform to certain uh classical human models that
21:41
we've culturally absorbed over the last at least few hundred years and a notion of a well-defined cultural other uh but I think they're they're small players really small players in this game as it goes forward I mean you you look at what Google and Badoo and tencent and Amazon Facebook are doing in in the basically uh Mass open cut harvesting of the um knowledge of humankind as we express it
22:17
when we communicate with each other if some people do on on Facebook or uploaded YouTube videos or deals between different companies to get hold of their data that classical model which people in Academia have called surveillance capitalism namely you put you acquire Capital through surveillance the capital is the data and then you sell it to advertisers basically uh that's changed now
22:48
it's it's it's really a very very interesting and important and severe economic change which is to take the surveillance Capital as a model and transform it instead into a model that doesn't yet have a name but we call it the AI model which is to use bait and switch techniques that Google and others have done uh to provide enticing services to get hold of data and then using that vast Reservoir training artificial intelligences of different of different kinds and thereby replacing
23:30
uh not just intermediating sectors which things you know most things you do on the internet in some sense more efficient intermediations but to actually uh take over the transport sector or to create whole new sectors and it's even just the transport sector alone this is uh trillion worth trillions of dollars more than the advertising intermediation sector
23:53
so so it's a uh and and to be be a player in that game you have to have the vast reservoirs of data um and your Europe doesn't even have one it's incredible it it could have perhaps perhaps could have struggled forces one uh but of course uh um AI companies in the UK have mainly been bought out by by us companies uh uh
24:20
similarly with uh Germany I'm not sure whether I don't know whether China has been buying out European companies but if you look look at things like the European uh privacy uh legislation and the the tradition of privacy not so much from UK but emanating from Germany and Germanic Europe culturally that um
24:46
uh what while while it's kind of dear to me as as someone who understands about the importance of privacy uh it has meant that a European company has not been able to emerge although I think there's other reasons as well why it hasn't uh that could harness all the data of Europe pull it together and use that to train artificial intelligences in in the way Chinese and American companies have
25:17
and it's the it's an interesting question I I think it's you know the the answer is not terribly interesting and a bit obvious uh which is vast databases of IDs are economically interesting to institutions for other reasons and the centralization of those vast databases that then makes the marginal cost of stealing hid lower and the uh globalization of principally Commerce means that you can use IDs in more places but let's kind of pull back and look at it at a more philosophical perspective
26:03
I say that this generation or that and perhaps Our Generation but anyway this generation being born now uh in in seconds in most countries sorry very shortly in most countries and it's already happened in in say China most European countries the United States is is the last free generation uh you were born and either immediately or within say a year you're known globally your your identity in one form or another coming as a result of your idiotic parents uh
26:41
Plastering your name and photos over over Facebook uh or as a result of insurance applications or passport applications uh transport on airlines Etc you're known to all the world's major Powers all the world's major uh State powers and all the world's major commercial Powers that's a very different situation for individuals
27:14
to be in than they have previously been in that a small child now in some sense has to has to negotiate its relationship with all the world's major powers of course in practice it can't do anything it's parents are uh not managing that negotiation but it puts us in a I think a very different position in the in the sense
27:46
that very few in fact maybe only a few people in this audience very technical technically capable people uh are able to no longer able to live apart to choose to live apart to choose to go their own way they must be part of not only the state but the major state-like corporations so powerful they may as well be States and not just their own state but other states as well that's a a significant change cultural change for Humanity
28:14
it smells a little it smells it smells a bit like totalitarians totalitarianism in some way obviously the world is different but there's some feeling about it which is totalitarian and so what so what is the answer uh for nearly everyone that is an inescapable conclusion so we so is is the answer
28:40
that we that we all have to be part of the state we all have to be part of managing the ongoing evolution of our cultural National Commercial International structures because we can't escape from them
28:58 / 53:29
• What is your opinion of the media's coverage of your activities?
29:02
well I mean uh you know journalists have one of the lowest approval ratings of all professions I think the last study in the United States was about 25 I think lawyers are just slightly lower Congress went a way lower and and just about everyone else is higher why why is that well it's it's a sad thing
29:30
it's a it's a really sad thing as someone who uh loves to document how human civilization actually works um we're in constant uh Warfare with those people who are trying to distort the understanding of how how human beings actually behave uh including distortions by proxy
29:55
which is to to you know come up with nonsense about Wikileaks or me uh I mean there's been there's been a lot of quite yeah there's a lot of amazing plots uh that we have uncovered uh yeah in one form or another
30:08
I think I think my uh favorite uh allegation is that I'm a cat torturer um no seriously AFP Azure points press put that everywhere and and uh even into the new even into New York Times so there's a I I don't really know where to start for people who aren't familiar with this kind of disgusting uh machine that the media is and how it works
30:38
perhaps it's enough it's enough to say uh that most human Wars have come about as a result of lies and that seems absolutely clear in democracies that democracies have to be lied into war uh
30:53
it's a it's a it's very serious ongoing problem it has resulted in the in the deaths of millions of people in the last 50 years and you can do a calculation how many deaths is each journalists responsible for and I did it in the United States because not meaning to pick on it uh but there's figures for
31:18
the the total number of political journalists is about five thousand it's it's something like 200
31:25
kills per journalist in the last 20 years just the US journalists alone
31:30
because they would not do their job they would not be accurate uh and because
31:36
they lacked courage
31:46
no this is this is another one of these propaganda talking points
31:51
and not to criticize you I I know you're trying to give me something to bounce off uh but the United States government
32:00
had to admit under oath uh in the trial of Chelsea Manning in in 2013. that it
32:06
could not find a single instance of someone who had been physically harmed
32:11
as a result of our Publications to that point
32:17
now I should say that if if you work on an industrial scale everyone knows you
32:23
work on Industrial scale then the world is big uh and there's a lot of
32:29
reverberating dynamics that you can never properly play out it's the same
32:34
for car manufacturers it's the same for big publishers but thus far uh there's no example of
32:41
that happening for us
32:49
yeah I I don't know it's it's uh no I mean I do know but I don't know what I should answer in response to that
32:54
question uh it's a interesting diplomatic
33:01
back and forth about well
33:07
um really about the in my view the
33:12
Alliance structure the Western Alliance structure between the United Kingdom and the United States
33:17
that's caused problems for many people in the UK for a long time with unjust
33:22
Injustice in relation to exhibition cases and quite quite a bit of prestige as well
33:28
quite a bit of State pride uh in involved States never never liked to be
33:35
forced to follow their own rules in fact uh they Define themselves in significant
33:43
degree as having power by violating their own rules that's that's one of the key ways
33:50
in which states uh demonstrate the supremacy of their power is that they're
33:56
the one group that doesn't have to obey its own rules and that's that's true in my situation
34:05
in the the 10-year period is hard to predict and that's the
34:11
and that's the big problem I don't see the
34:17
the National Security Agency gchq five I was Alliance more broadly France a bit
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Russia a bit China mostly domestically uh have been engaged in Mass surveillance uh and the five eyes
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countries for well serious com computational Mass surveillance
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about about 20 years that's something is of such scale uh that it strategically
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affects the development of um human civilization in fact it's called
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strategic interception for exactly that reason now strategic interception
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is slowly being degraded and that was a very important thing to do
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uh because and and I guess
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some people can't see the reasons but as we threw as uh
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the majority of the world's populations threw itself onto the internet we merged our human societies with the
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internet so the result is that the uh whatever the security structure uh of
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the internet our human societies also became part of that
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and that structure was in part Mass strategic interceptions
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now uh having I worked on this for years many other people as well and we had out a
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really big hit with in 2013 with Edward Stone Revelations that smashed that into
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the consciousness none of the average person I think that was a negative actually because they all
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became paranoid about what they were saying and became fearful and conformist but we smashed that into the minds of
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Engineers and Engineers thereby felt
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enabled and that they were part of the the flow of
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human destiny by including encryption into the communications protocols so
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that has checked are very dangerous
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development and we're left we're left then with the
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other dangerous developments of which you know the important ones are the ones that I described uh
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I don't think that um now now
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and perhaps in the next three years we're going to see computer hacking at
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scale people talk about it as if it's happening at scale at the moment it's not happening at scale not compared to
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strategic interception uh but the aiification of computer hacking is
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something that will happen at scale because because you're automating it now within AI
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the how how you you how you train AIS uh
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for discrete problems and computer hacking many aspects of it is a discrete problem
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uh there hasn't been significant progress on in my view while there has been
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enormous progress on is how you kind of map through a space
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which is in between
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in between a fluid problem and a discrete problem and
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so an example of a space like that is the game of goat that's a a very good
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example toy space where each step in go is discrete but you've got enough pieces
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enough board that it almost starts to become a fluid
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and when you assemble all the computer hacking techniques together there's so many and so many targets but now now
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you're starting to look like uh now now you have a
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a search space that it starts to look more like a fluid
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and these search spaces we can increasingly conquer uh and the
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and when you have very large computer programs and I suppose when you when you
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fuzz large computer programs if they're so if they're large enough you have enough discrete uh
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discrete chinks in the attack surface that all together they're more like a fluid so I think inevitably we're going
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to see this AI aiification of computer hacking attacks and
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that will then be merged with other search spaces and those other search spaces
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look like what is the informational space that because in the in the end what you
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really want is machines and human beings to make particular decisions
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so you bring to bear you acquire as much knowledge as
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possible and then map it back in onto the actors whose decisions you want to affect
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and so there's a lot of talk about hybrid Warfare some of it legitimate some of it
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overblown it's actually been something that's been around for for many many years but I think this notion of bringing
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together different search spaces in AI that are large enough to have a
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semi-fluid property means that you can then go through the search spaces of all of
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them together and that can produce something very powerful and from a human perspective completely incomprehensible
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uh yeah I mean like I guess there's a human beings are very adaptable it's a
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bit it's the best quality and the worst quality they adapt to doing nasty things they adapt to being on the receiving end
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of Injustice and they see us complaining about it uh the the real the real question is
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um where when not weather but when
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uh the UK government that will follow the its treaties that has it has signed
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up to and if we if we look in my particular situation okay yes everyone understands there's a vast uh political
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and geopolitical dynamic that's intimately connected with the United States
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that but it is instrumentalized in practice by UK intelligence services and police
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who who will physically arrest me and hold me for whatever the US wants to do with me
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so but what is the excuse to actually do that to to enable those budget spends uh
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the excuses in a case that I was never charged for where the Expedition warrant has already been dropped where I repeatedly won uh they say that we're they're going to keep around the warrant the UK end of the warrant for the Swedish Expedition which I won they're going to keep around that warrant despite me winning that because I came in here and perhaps they might want to they haven't but perhaps they might want to charge me with a bail violation
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this is the technical excuse they haven't twice the UK courts have refused to do so why well because if you move your house arrest location to pursue a parallel legal process a higher legal process which is an asylum application
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that's not a bail violation okay but what if it was what if you disagree with that analysis and you say that is a bail violation well uh okay even before I came into this Embassy and applied for Asylum which is everyone's right everyone in this audience uh if you if you are generally being persecuted
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um uh even before I came in this Embassy if you add up the time in prison under a very grueling house arrest for 18 months I've already done three times the maximum amount of time and UK sentencing legislation the UK sentencing legislation values house arrest at 50 of prison time that's the law so there's not only is this a bogus warrant that it has no purpose if you as the uh judge did a couple of weeks ago they say well maybe if he came to court I might want to charge him so that's why I need to keep that warrant around okay
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but if that occurred there could be no possible prison time because I've already served more than three times the maximum possible prison time even before I was awarded Asylum if you include the time in the embassy which you should because the U.N has assessed it and said if you illegally block if you legally block someone from leaving the country that's a form of detention that would be 10 times the amount so the real question is when is the UK government going to uphold the treaty obligations that it has signed and uphold basic Justice principles within UK law
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well we've published a series called the Spy files uh that documented these conferences private government conferences where the diff the different Mass surveillance vendors and targeted hacking vendors uh like gamma group present their ways and actually there's quite a lot to be gleaned from that and whenever you're talking about a big well a sizeable uh industrial sector
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it's impossible to really hide its Shadows now you're you always see the shadow you don't always see the thing but you can see you know a little shadow of a foot sticking out somewhere and through that you can map out some of the Contours
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that is an indirect enough process and the conflict free enough process that it is kind of hard to get the public really involved in it we had done all that for example uh before the Edward Snowden Publications and it was but the conflict in the Edward Snowden Publications is what really Drew people n because it's not simply that Wikileaks was saying it was important or Wayne Greenwald was saying was important
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uh it's at the president of the United States was saying it was important look this is outrageous situation and so people went uh so power is concerned about this therefore it in itself must be powerful um yeah
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• What do you believe is the best way to address the privacy concerns presented by IoT (the Internet of Things)?
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I think it impinges on a deeper question which is the world is complex how much of it do you need to know directly and how much of it can you delegate now.
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I love the idea of intelligence agencies I'm a fan of the idea of intelligence agencies because it has the word intelligence in it and I like I like that people know things um and maybe they might make sensible decisions if they know things intelligence agencies when they're when they're acting their best uh reduced fear and reduce paranoia because if if there's something that you don't know um hype Merchants can fill this black box with the most terrifying possibility of what might be in there but if you really do know another States uh weapon systems and capacities Etc it might reassure you that actually they're not as bad as the most catastrophic scenario
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and so they can actually contribute towards peace in that way the problem is it's a principal agent dilemma so this is a classical uh problem when dealing say with lawyers which is you hire a lawyer to work for you and represent you and act in your interest but of course the lawyer is also always trying to act in their own interest and inject their own interest into your equation
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So how do you police that how do you police it with lawyers well you police it by constantly looking at their work and and trying to do random samples
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I guess introspecting into their work to to see if the claims made are Justified that is the fundamental problem with intelligence agencies and it's the fundamental problem with delegation of delegation of assessment about how the world is working you can't completely delegate you can't delegate because human beings inevitably are corrupt and cut corners and act in their own interests and not of the person who has appointed them and in that case for example in the UK intelligence Services which have a role an important role
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every state needs something like an intelligence service to protect it from interference by other states but without insight deep insight into how those organizations are acting they go astray so intelligence agencies must be transparent it's vital that they are transparent
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And some of that and because they are deeply interconnected with the with industry uh some of that transparency is provided by enforcing transparency on the industry itself including at these uh conferences
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uh I mean it's it's a it's a big dilemma one of our lawyers uh who of course we all have to educate them about you know different kinds of surveillance techniques but they said God damn it you know what we should do we we should we should like buy up some chunk of Madagascar or Patagonia or somewhere and just ban every electronic device promise like a radio wave electronic
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uh well high intensity radio wave free area because of that constant buffeting uh that we have by principally commercial organizations trying to harvest our interactions with the world that's that's the
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um yeah that's the principal economic model that all these AI companies have had and the traditional surveillance capitalism companies have had and the the number of degrees of interaction so what do I mean by that
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um if you can't imagine a space of interactions the the number of types of interaction the frequencies of interaction between you and everything else in the space is dramatically uh increasing and in a way you can consider each one of these degrees of freedom is is kind of like a triangulation so to try and triangulate something in a two-dimensional space for okay you just need two two directions two signals directional signals uh but we are giving off
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uh if someone has is using a mobile phone for example they're probably giving off a couple of hundred of these on average per second some something like that Maybe not maybe not quite as maybe okay maybe maybe a dozen perhaps uh although if you do video of course there's vast amounts more so anyway between dozens and and hundreds of um measurements
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we are emanating constantly and so if you collect those together you can effectively triangulate someone's uh activities and behavior and I don't think by chopping out uh many of them or adding uh kind of chaff cover the you can make that much make that much of a difference and increasingly increasingly it's less um and the in terms of The Internet of Things
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there's research prototypes now which I assume but are you being used by uh intelligence agencies a very small electronic circuits that you can just put in paper or put and painter on the on the walls uh that are powered by the GSM stations and they they operate as the GSM radio wave passes through them it gives them enough power for very small amount of time to do things so obviously that tendency is going to continue there's not the like the internet of things
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it's, it's uh if you like uh intelligent evil dust uh scattered everywhere like like confetti in everything so I think it's increasingly hard for human beings to work out how to deal with that and and the only way I the only way I can see is that as that we've got to securitize this problem computer security industry is is
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you know it's been engaged in outrageous securitization for a very long period of time hyping up threats Etc I get how the game is played uh it needs to be securitized in a different way we need to securitize the by securitize I mean you turn something into a threat and thereby foreign Behavior or get economic gain from it
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we need to securitize the threat to Elites by these developments fit the people who run these companies is a threat to them
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it's a it's a threat to the most powerful people in society and to eliminate the notion that there's a place that powerful people can hide from or skilled people can hide from this phenomenon and that's the way to get uh all those people who have an ability to make a difference to make a difference
The Julian Assange Show Episode 1: Nasrallah (2012)
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